Yes the older models were heavy, yes Oneida's tend to be loud, but thats mostly a "tunning" issue they can be made to be very quite with just a few items and some "tunning", keep in mind untill very recently that oneida's came with NOTHING as far as noise suppresion items, while everybody else had a few items on the bows from the factory, and do whats refered to as a supertunning and some mole ... More @Wikipedia
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