Last week, Donald Trump sat down with former-MTV-reality-star-turned-comedian-turned-podcaster Theo Von. The interview was surreal. Von repeatedly called Trump “homie” and explained how much he had previously enjoyed/hated cocaine—”You think it’s going to be easy, and then you’re go-kart racing with hookers and stuff, and it gets bad,” Von explained. The interview and and its implications are complicated to unwind—Trump himself looked befuddled for large parts of it—and Von is not without his own issues.